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Classic is slow to wake up under 10.1.1

Message #1 - Posted 2001/11/30 - Steven Kan

Here's a new problem:

I'm running 10.1.1 on a G4/450DP with 384 MB of RAM, two HDs, and a SCSI card installed.

I'm running 10.1.1 without any SCSI devices attached (because they cause kernel panics), and Classic runs off a system folder on the same drive as 10.1.1.

When waking from a light sleep (deep sleep won't work b/c of the SCSI card), Classic takes about 5 minutes to wake up (no exaggeration). For example, the Netscape (4.78) dock icon will bounce to indicate new mail, but when I click on the icon, all I get is a white screen. The bouncing will stop, though. Same with launching or switching to any other Classic apps.

Carbon/Cocoa apps seem to be OK; I can use them or launch them and they work fine. After about 5 minutes, then Classic will finally wake up and I can see their windows and do useful things with them.

Anyone else seen this?

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Message #2 - Posted 2001/11/30 - Neill Massello

Steven Kan wrote:

Here's a new problem:

I'm running 10.1.1 on a G4/450DP with 384 MB of RAM, two HDs, and a SCSI card installed.

I'm running 10.1.1 without any SCSI devices attached (because they cause kernel panics), and Classic runs off a system folder on the same drive as 10.1.1.

When waking from a light sleep (deep sleep won't work b/c of the SCSI card), Classic takes about 5 minutes to wake up (no exaggeration). For example, the Netscape (4.78) dock icon will bounce to indicate new mail, but when I click on the icon, all I get is a white screen. The bouncing will stop, though. Same with launching or switching to any other Classic apps.

Carbon/Cocoa apps seem to be OK; I can use them or launch them and they work fine. After about 5 minutes, then Classic will finally wake up and I can see their windows and do useful things with them.

Anyone else seen this?

What happens after you remove the SCSI card?

Message #3 - Posted 2001/12/08 - Steven Kan

Steven Kan wrote:
[snip]

When waking from a light sleep (deep sleep won't work b/c of the SCSI card), Classic takes about 5 minutes to wake up (no exaggeration). For example, the Netscape (4.78) dock icon will bounce to indicate new mail, but when I click on the icon, all I get is a white screen. The bouncing will stop, though. Same with launching or switching to any other Classic apps.

[snip]

Following up on my own post, installing Mac OS 9.2.2 as my Classic environment appears to have solved this problem.

Although it's still annoying that I have to boot into Mac OS 9 in order to update it. OS X should be able to update Classic from within OS X. --
A rich man who hailed from Seattle #``````` Wrote Win95 to do battle, # ``````` But Mac users pity # ``````` The masses not witty # ``````` Enough to know Wintel's for cattle. #. ``````` ~ ~ . \_@_/ ```````
^_@ o . V ```````
Steven "Rocket Man" Kan `-' - \_@_ ~ . ###### mailto:steven@kan.org V \ ~ . ###### http://www.kan.org ~ . #H2O## Everybody S.H.I.N.E. ~ .#POLO# Support Heterogeneity In Networked Environments ~ ~ ######

Message #4 - Posted 2001/12/08 - Paul McGrane

Previously, Steven Kan wrote:

Although it's still annoying that I have to boot into Mac OS 9 in order to update it. OS X should be able to update Classic from within OS X.

I ran the 9.2.2 installer within the classic environment. It seems to have worked fine (I'm using MT-NW inthe newly 9.2.2 classic environment right now). It's true OS X's built in software update mechanism won't do the updating, nor does OS 9's Software Update seem to function within classic. But you can run the downloadable installer.

I was pretty pleased since I don't anticipate booting right into 9 ever again.

...Paul McGrane

Message #5 - Posted 2001/12/08 - Mike Rosenberg

Steven Kan wrote:

Although it's still annoying that I have to boot into Mac OS 9 in order to update it. OS X should be able to update Classic from within OS X.

I haven't gotten to 9.2.2 yet (and won't until BellSouth fixes my DSL), but when I updated from 9.1 to 9.2.1, I did it while booted from OS X. This was after having downloaded 9.2.1 from Apple's web site, not using Software Update.

Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com>

"If you ever get annoyed, look at me, I'm self employed..."

Message #6 - Posted 2001/12/08 - Doug Brown

Previously, Paul McGrane wrote:

Previously, Steven Kan wrote:

Although it's still annoying that I have to boot into Mac OS 9 in order to update it. OS X should be able to update Classic from within OS X.

I ran the 9.2.2 installer within the classic environment. It seems to have worked fine (I'm using MT-NW inthe newly 9.2.2 classic environment right now). It's true OS X's built in software update mechanism won't do the updating, nor does OS 9's Software Update seem to function within classic. But you can run the downloadable installer.

I was pretty pleased since I don't anticipate booting right into 9 ever again.

Same here - it worked fine.

Doug

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Message #7 - Posted 2001/12/10 - Steven Kan

Paul McGrane wrote:

Previously, Steven Kan wrote:

Although it's still annoying that I have to boot into Mac OS 9 in order to update it. OS X should be able to update Classic from within OS X.

I ran the 9.2.2 installer within the classic environment. It seems to have worked fine (I'm using MT-NW inthe newly 9.2.2 classic environment right now). It's true OS X's built in software update mechanism won't do the updating, nor does OS 9's Software Update seem to function within classic. But you can run the downloadable installer.

I was pretty pleased since I don't anticipate booting right into 9 ever again.

OK; my mistake. I didn't try it this way, but I sure will next time! --
A rich man who hailed from Seattle #``````` Wrote Win95 to do battle, # ``````` But Mac users pity # ``````` The masses not witty # ``````` Enough to know Wintel's for cattle. #. ``````` ~ ~ . \_@_/ ```````
^_@ o . V ```````
Steven "Rocket Man" Kan `-' - \_@_ ~ . ###### mailto:steven@kan.org V \ ~ . ###### http://www.kan.org ~ . #H2O## Everybody S.H.I.N.E. ~ .#POLO# Support Heterogeneity In Networked Environments ~ ~ ######

Message #8 - Posted 2001/12/10 - Steven Kan

Steven Kan wrote:

Steven Kan wrote:
[snip]

When waking from a light sleep (deep sleep won't work b/c of the SCSI card), Classic takes about 5 minutes to wake up (no exaggeration). For example, the Netscape (4.78) dock icon will bounce to indicate new mail, but when I click on the icon, all I get is a white screen. The bouncing will stop, though. Same with launching or switching to any other Classic apps.

[snip]

Following up on my own post, installing Mac OS 9.2.2 as my Classic environment appears to have solved this problem.

[snip]

OK, so much for not jumping the gun any more. I ran into this same problem again this weekend, so it's not fixed by 9.2.2. Looks like I'll have to do some more investigating.

A rich man who hailed from Seattle #``````` Wrote Win95 to do battle, # ``````` But Mac users pity # ``````` The masses not witty # ``````` Enough to know Wintel's for cattle. #. ``````` ~ ~ . \_@_/ ```````
^_@ o . V ```````
Steven "Rocket Man" Kan `-' - \_@_ ~ . ###### mailto:steven@kan.org V \ ~ . ###### http://www.kan.org ~ . #H2O## Everybody S.H.I.N.E. ~ .#POLO# Support Heterogeneity In Networked Environments ~ ~ ######

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