Correct PRAM battery for 500 Mhz 17" G4 Ti PB

backup/PRAM battery in a 500 Mhz 17" G4 Ti Powerbook is the the same as in the G4 desktop models
Kit wrote on :

Hi,

Please can anyone confirm (or deny!) that the backup/PRAM battery in a 500 Mhz 17" G4 Ti Powerbook is the the same as in the G4 desktop models

  • i.e. a 1/2 AA 3.6V lithium battery?

(this is for a friend and I don't have the PB here with me now so I can't open it up and check the one that is already in)

Any recommendations on where I can get one?

Thanks

Kit

Jon B replied on :

Kit kitzyme@redacted.invalid wrote:

Hi,

Please can anyone confirm (or deny!) that the backup/PRAM battery in a 500 Mhz 17" G4 Ti Powerbook is the the same as in the G4 desktop models

  • i.e. a 1/2 AA 3.6V lithium battery?

(this is for a friend and I don't have the PB here with me now so I can't open it up and check the one that is already in)

Any recommendations on where I can get one?

No they aren't (presume you mean a 15" 500mhz), they are a custom battery, around 70 + delivery. VIS are quoting 12 days to get hold of one (part number 922-4361).

Kit replied on :

In article 1hrzdm3.1sjxwvf16m37kN%black.hole@redacted.invalid, Jon B black.hole@redacted.invalid wrote:

Kit kitzyme@redacted.invalid wrote:

Hi,

Please can anyone confirm (or deny!) that the backup/PRAM battery in a 500 Mhz 17" G4 Ti Powerbook is the the same as in the G4 desktop models

  • i.e. a 1/2 AA 3.6V lithium battery?

No they aren't (presume you mean a 15" 500mhz),

Sorry. I just checked with my friend who now informs me that it is a 17" 1.67 GHz Ti G4 PB.
Does that affect your answer?

they are a custom battery, around 70 + delivery.

OUCH! :-)

VIS are quoting 12 days to get hold of one (part number 922-4361).

Thanks for the info. Who/what is VIS? Do you have the URL?

Thanks again!

Kit

Peter Ceresole replied on :

Jon B black.hole@redacted.invalid wrote:

No they aren't (presume you mean a 15" 500mhz), they are a custom battery, around 70 + delivery. VIS are quoting 12 days to get hold of one (part number 922-4361).

Where are the PRAM batteries in TiBooks? I have a 667 which might last a while longer (if I gat a new main battery) but I've enver seen where the PRAM battery lives.

Bonge Boo replied on :

Kit wrote:

Hi,

Please can anyone confirm (or deny!) that the backup/PRAM battery in a 500 Mhz 17" G4 Ti Powerbook is the the same as in the G4 desktop models

  • i.e. a 1/2 AA 3.6V lithium battery?

Its completely different.

Bonge Boo replied on :

Peter Ceresole wrote:

Jon B black.hole@redacted.invalid wrote:

No they aren't (presume you mean a 15" 500mhz), they are a custom battery, around 70 + delivery. VIS are quoting 12 days to get hold of one (part number 922-4361).

Where are the PRAM batteries in TiBooks? I have a 667 which might last a while longer (if I gat a new main battery) but I've enver seen where the PRAM battery lives.

Under the DVD AFAIR.

Bonge Boo replied on :

Kit wrote:

In article 1hrzdm3.1sjxwvf16m37kN%black.hole@redacted.invalid, Jon B black.hole@redacted.invalid wrote:

Kit kitzyme@redacted.invalid wrote:

Hi,

Please can anyone confirm (or deny!) that the backup/PRAM battery in a 500 Mhz 17" G4 Ti Powerbook is the the same as in the G4 desktop models

  • i.e. a 1/2 AA 3.6V lithium battery? No they aren't (presume you mean a 15" 500mhz),

Sorry. I just checked with my friend who now informs me that it is a 17" 1.67 GHz Ti G4 PB.
Does that affect your answer?

Could I suggest you don't try to fit this yourself? You seem not to know what computer you are going to be working on and that's somewhat important. Its not a trivial fit.

Peter Ceresole replied on :

Bonge Boo bingbong@redacted.invalid wrote:

the PRAM battery lives.

Under the DVD AFAIR.

So not trivial, as you say.

Kit replied on :

In article qq6dnbm4-PqV5DbYRVnytQA@redacted.invalid, Bonge Boo bingbong@redacted.invalid wrote:

Could I suggest you don't try to fit this yourself? You seem not to know what computer you are going to be working on and that's somewhat important. Its not a trivial fit.

Thanks for the advice...

Surely on a properly designed computer replacing a PRAM battery SHOULD be a relatively trivial thing? After all, the batteries will need replacing every couple of years and so there should be no excuse for the manufacturer making it as difficult as changing a hard drive.

Also, just because my friend didn't accurately specify his laptop to me over the phone doesn't mean that I will be incapable of replacing the battery when I find out what it is. I have in the past successfully upgraded HDDs in both a Pismo and a clamshell iBook, and the latter certainly is NOT a trivial task! :-) Is replacing a PRAM battery in a 1.67GHz PB more difficult than replacing the HDD in a ckamshell iBook?

Kit

Bonge Boo replied on :

Kit wrote:

In article qq6dnbm4-PqV5DbYRVnytQA@redacted.invalid, Bonge Boo bingbong@redacted.invalid wrote:

Could I suggest you don't try to fit this yourself? You seem not to know what computer you are going to be working on and that's somewhat important. Its not a trivial fit.

Thanks for the advice...

Surely on a properly designed computer replacing a PRAM battery SHOULD be a relatively trivial thing? After all, the batteries will need replacing every couple of years and so there should be no excuse for the manufacturer making it as difficult as changing a hard drive.

No one ever claimed Apple designed computers to be serviced easily...

Also, just because my friend didn't accurately specify his laptop to me over the phone doesn't mean that I will be incapable of replacing the battery when I find out what it is. I have in the past successfully upgraded HDDs in both a Pismo and a clamshell iBook, and the latter certainly is NOT a trivial task!

Google would have found you the answer, so I assumed you really didn't know what you were talking about. My bad.

Is replacing a PRAM battery in a 1.67GHz PB more difficult than replacing the HDD in a ckamshell iBook?

In terms of steps, its comparable. Doing so without leaving marks is more difficult, so unless you want someone moaning, let them know there is a possibility of cosmetic damage.

Sorry, but of late I've been getting the "my won't start up" which upon further investigation becomes "I was replacing the and now it won't start up" phone calls. Makes me assume people are less than capable unless proven otherwise.

Sara Kirk replied on :

In article 150120071307421652%kitzyme@redacted.invalid, Kit kitzyme@redacted.invalid wrote:

In article qq6dnbm4-PqV5DbYRVnytQA@redacted.invalid, Bonge Boo bingbong@redacted.invalid wrote:

Could I suggest you don't try to fit this yourself? You seem not to know what computer you are going to be working on and that's somewhat important. Its not a trivial fit.

Thanks for the advice...

Surely on a properly designed computer replacing a PRAM battery SHOULD be a relatively trivial thing? After all, the batteries will need replacing every couple of years and so there should be no excuse for the manufacturer making it as difficult as changing a hard drive.

Also, just because my friend didn't accurately specify his laptop to me over the phone doesn't mean that I will be incapable of replacing the battery when I find out what it is. I have in the past successfully upgraded HDDs in both a Pismo and a clamshell iBook, and the latter certainly is NOT a trivial task! :-) Is replacing a PRAM battery in a 1.67GHz PB more difficult than replacing the HDD in a ckamshell iBook?

Have a look through the appropriate guide and make your own mind up - I'd probably go for it.

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/

Kit replied on :

In article G8ydnQ8j4qBzFDbYnZ2dnUVZ8siknZ2d@redacted.invalid, Bonge Boo bingbong@redacted.invalid wrote:

No one ever claimed Apple designed computers to be serviced easily...

True, but with the advent of the G4 desktop they made a big improvement. Opening up a G4 and swapping bits is MUCH easier than a G3 and earlier models. Based on that I I was hoping that newer PBs would be easier than Pismo or old iBook...

Google would have found you the answer, so I assumed you really didn't know what you were talking about. My bad.

I did google, but got lots of results, and none in the first dozen or so I looked at were relevant or pointed me at a supplier. Probably this was partly due to the faulty model info I was given and partly due to my slack of skill with specifying google searches! :-)

In terms of steps, its comparable. Doing so without leaving marks is more difficult, so unless you want someone moaning, let them know there is a possibility of cosmetic damage.

I will take that advice and tell them the risks and let them decide if they want to put it in professional hands. This is the same friend for whom I replaced the Pismo HDD and he asked me this as a favour.

Sorry, but of late I've been getting the "my won't start up" which upon further investigation becomes "I was replacing the and now it won't start up" phone calls. Makes me assume people are less than capable unless proven otherwise.

Yes, I can sympathise.
I'm in the business of company formations and company law services and I often get customers who have no idea what they are doing with their companies. They screw up and then ask me to sort out their mess. Just last week a guy informed me that for years he'd been giving out shares in his company without informing Companies House and, even worse, giving dividends that were totally unrelated to shareholdings. Eventually I managed to sort out a semi-solution for him and I suppose I shouldn't complain as it was a paid job for me...

What bugs me is when Companies House screw up (as they have done twice in the last 5 weeks) and I have to explain to them that Acts of Parliament take precedence over their own internal guidebooks. I don't derive any income from sorting out Companies House screw-ups!! :-(

(Sorry about the moan, but I've just spent ages on the phone to CH and when they eventually admitted they were wrong they didn't even apologise!!)

Kit

Bonge Boo replied on :

Kit wrote:

In article G8ydnQ8j4qBzFDbYnZ2dnUVZ8siknZ2d@redacted.invalid, Bonge Boo bingbong@redacted.invalid wrote:

No one ever claimed Apple designed computers to be serviced easily...

True, but with the advent of the G4 desktop they made a big improvement. Opening up a G4 and swapping bits is MUCH easier than a G3 and earlier models. Based on that I I was hoping that newer PBs would be easier than Pismo or old iBook...

The Pismo , Lombard and Wall Street was the height of Apple's laptop design in many respects. The TiBooks are faily easy to work on. The Powerbook 12" and 15" Alu are a right bitch; the 17" is fairly pleasant.

Jon B replied on :

Peter Ceresole peter@redacted.invalid wrote:

Bonge Boo bingbong@redacted.invalid wrote:

the PRAM battery lives.

Under the DVD AFAIR.

So not trivial, as you say.

Quite, it isn't DVD drive out of a 12" PB difficult, but it isn't G4 tower easy either.

Jon B replied on :

Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

In article 150120071307421652%kitzyme@redacted.invalid, Kit kitzyme@redacted.invalid wrote:

In article qq6dnbm4-PqV5DbYRVnytQA@redacted.invalid, Bonge Boo bingbong@redacted.invalid wrote:

Could I suggest you don't try to fit this yourself? You seem not to know what computer you are going to be working on and that's somewhat important. Its not a trivial fit.

Thanks for the advice...

Surely on a properly designed computer replacing a PRAM battery SHOULD be a relatively trivial thing? After all, the batteries will need replacing every couple of years and so there should be no excuse for the manufacturer making it as difficult as changing a hard drive.

Also, just because my friend didn't accurately specify his laptop to me over the phone doesn't mean that I will be incapable of replacing the battery when I find out what it is. I have in the past successfully upgraded HDDs in both a Pismo and a clamshell iBook, and the latter certainly is NOT a trivial task! :-) Is replacing a PRAM battery in a 1.67GHz PB more difficult than replacing the HDD in a ckamshell iBook?

Have a look through the appropriate guide and make your own mind up - I'd probably go for it.

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/

Yes but you've also tackled replacing a hinge in an iBook, a task many would run away from ;) it is obviously do-able, just as Bonge Boo states, not really a job for a novice.

Jon B replied on :

Kit kitzyme@redacted.invalid wrote:

In article 1hrzdm3.1sjxwvf16m37kN%black.hole@redacted.invalid, Jon B black.hole@redacted.invalid wrote:

Kit kitzyme@redacted.invalid wrote:

Hi,

Please can anyone confirm (or deny!) that the backup/PRAM battery in a 500 Mhz 17" G4 Ti Powerbook is the the same as in the G4 desktop models

  • i.e. a 1/2 AA 3.6V lithium battery?

No they aren't (presume you mean a 15" 500mhz),

Sorry. I just checked with my friend who now informs me that it is a 17" 1.67 GHz Ti G4 PB.
Does that affect your answer?

Well it makes it yet another custom battery for that model, still not a pretty price.

they are a custom battery, around 70 + delivery.

OUCH! :-)

VIS are quoting 12 days to get hold of one (part number 922-4361).

Thanks for the info. Who/what is VIS? Do you have the URL?

http://www.applemacparts.co.uk/

They don't currently list the 1.67 17" battery but they do for other models, I do have another UK supplier but you can't buy direct.

Kit replied on :

In article sarakirk-578B05.14165615012007@redacted.invalid, Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

Have a look through the appropriate guide and make your own mind up - I'd probably go for it.

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/

Thanks for that.

I believe that is within my skill range. Of course I will point out to my friend the caveat (possible cosmetic damage) mentioned by Bonge Boo and see if he still wants me to do it.

Kit

Sara Kirk replied on :

In article 1hrzkuh.w6x5101j7mqmeN%black.hole@redacted.invalid, black.hole@redacted.invalid (Jon B) wrote:

Yes but you've also tackled replacing a hinge in an iBook, a task many would run away from ;) it is obviously do-able, just as Bonge Boo states, not really a job for a novice.

That did age me somewhat! Mind you, the dear old thing is still running along nicely so it was worth the effort.

Jaimie Vandenbergh replied on :

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:06:55 +0000, Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

In article 1hrzkuh.w6x5101j7mqmeN%black.hole@redacted.invalid, black.hole@redacted.invalid (Jon B) wrote:

Yes but you've also tackled replacing a hinge in an iBook, a task many would run away from ;) it is obviously do-able, just as Bonge Boo states, not really a job for a novice.

That did age me somewhat! Mind you, the dear old thing is still running along nicely so it was worth the effort.

Doing better than me. Last week I killed a computer while fixing it, for the first time ever. Went in to bolt the hinge back together, and now it doesn't boot. Embarassing. Admittedly a shonky old cheapy P3 laptop, but still. Gave the owner one of my own shonky old laptops in reimbursement, which she was actually rather pleased with! Shame it wasn't a Mac, or it'd be on-topic.

Cheers - Jaimie
Sara Kirk replied on :

In article 1p8nq2hefs82jr6t975tuttvpqepevnn2i@redacted.invalid, Jaimie Vandenbergh jaimie@redacted.invalid wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:06:55 +0000, Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

In article 1hrzkuh.w6x5101j7mqmeN%black.hole@redacted.invalid, black.hole@redacted.invalid (Jon B) wrote:

Yes but you've also tackled replacing a hinge in an iBook, a task many would run away from ;) it is obviously do-able, just as Bonge Boo states, not really a job for a novice.

That did age me somewhat! Mind you, the dear old thing is still running along nicely so it was worth the effort.

Doing better than me. Last week I killed a computer while fixing it, for the first time ever. Went in to bolt the hinge back together, and now it doesn't boot. Embarassing. Admittedly a shonky old cheapy P3 laptop, but still. Gave the owner one of my own shonky old laptops in reimbursement, which she was actually rather pleased with! Shame it wasn't a Mac, or it'd be on-topic.

Can't remember if it was before the hinge replacement or after, but that iBook also had the power board replaced and I thought I'd killed it then. After replacing the board, plugged it in and... nothing. It just wouldn't work in Wales, no response at all. I brought it back to Hampton, plugged it in, in a "one last try" sort of mood, and it worked. I was rather grateful for that.

Graeme Wall replied on :

In message sarakirk-D93A5C.16022915012007@redacted.invalid Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

[snip]

Can't remember if it was before the hinge replacement or after, but that iBook also had the power board replaced and I thought I'd killed it then. After replacing the board, plugged it in and... nothing. It just wouldn't work in Wales, no response at all. I brought it back to Hampton, plugged it in, in a "one last try" sort of mood, and it worked. I was rather grateful for that.

I wondered why you called it Ann Robinson...

Peter Ceresole replied on :

Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

It just wouldn't work in Wales, no response at all. I brought it back to Hampton, plugged it in, in a "one last try" sort of mood, and it worked.

Oh golly... Not a portent, I hope?

Jon B replied on :

Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

In article 1p8nq2hefs82jr6t975tuttvpqepevnn2i@redacted.invalid, Jaimie Vandenbergh jaimie@redacted.invalid wrote:

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:06:55 +0000, Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

In article 1hrzkuh.w6x5101j7mqmeN%black.hole@redacted.invalid, black.hole@redacted.invalid (Jon B) wrote:

Yes but you've also tackled replacing a hinge in an iBook, a task many would run away from ;) it is obviously do-able, just as Bonge Boo states, not really a job for a novice.

That did age me somewhat! Mind you, the dear old thing is still running along nicely so it was worth the effort.

Doing better than me. Last week I killed a computer while fixing it, for the first time ever. Went in to bolt the hinge back together, and now it doesn't boot. Embarassing. Admittedly a shonky old cheapy P3 laptop, but still. Gave the owner one of my own shonky old laptops in reimbursement, which she was actually rather pleased with! Shame it wasn't a Mac, or it'd be on-topic.

Can't remember if it was before the hinge replacement or after, but that iBook also had the power board replaced and I thought I'd killed it then. After replacing the board, plugged it in and... nothing. It just wouldn't work in Wales, no response at all. I brought it back to Hampton, plugged it in, in a "one last try" sort of mood, and it worked. I was rather grateful for that.

That was later. Maybe it just didn't like Wales?

Sara Kirk replied on :

In article 1hrzqll.1ns23mgtcxczaN%black.hole@redacted.invalid, black.hole@redacted.invalid (Jon B) wrote:

Can't remember if it was before the hinge replacement or after, but that iBook also had the power board replaced and I thought I'd killed it then. After replacing the board, plugged it in and... nothing. It just wouldn't work in Wales, no response at all. I brought it back to Hampton, plugged it in, in a "one last try" sort of mood, and it worked. I was rather grateful for that.

That was later. Maybe it just didn't like Wales?

Aww - how could it not like Wales?

Sara Kirk replied on :

In article 1hrzpwm.2iz7byafuzh6N%peter@redacted.invalid, peter@redacted.invalid (Peter Ceresole) wrote:

Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

It just wouldn't work in Wales, no response at all. I brought it back to Hampton, plugged it in, in a "one last try" sort of mood, and it worked.

Oh golly... Not a portent, I hope?

Well, just in case, Roger's moving to Hampton.

Hugh Browton replied on :

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:48:43 +0000, Kit wrote (in article 150120071448439306%kitzyme@redacted.invalid):

In article sarakirk-578B05.14165615012007@redacted.invalid, Sara Kirk sarakirk@redacted.invalid wrote:

Have a look through the appropriate guide and make your own mind up - I'd probably go for it.

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac/

Thanks for that.

I believe that is within my skill range. Of course I will point out to my friend the caveat (possible cosmetic damage) mentioned by Bonge Boo and see if he still wants me to do it.

Or send it to Jon B, I send him most of my laptop work now. It keeps my "will it work when I put it back together?" stress levels to a very low level! Pleasure doing business with you Jon!