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Eternal Sleep on iMac

Message #1 - Posted 2004/08/15 - stark

Running OS X 1.5. If I've opened Classic to view a Classic document, then closed all docs and aps and left the computer, it will go to perpetual sleep. No key stroke will awaken it. I have to shut down and restart with the button.

And . .sometimes on restart I'll get a blank white screen. I believe I'm getting the smiley face, but the screen goes blank. Requiring another button shutdown and restart. Then it boots.

On days when I do not activate Classic, computer sleeps and awakens normally.

I've read somewhere that in OS X running Classic, reawakenings are SLOW. If they're talking about 5 to 10 minutes, I haven't waited that long before forcing a restart.

Does anybody recognize this symptom? Is it normal or potentially dangerous>? I've already lost one hard drive on this iMac and the new one is one month outside of it's 90-day warranty.

Message #2 - Posted 2004/08/15 - Charlie

Previously, stark wrote:

Running OS X 1.5. If I've opened Classic to view a Classic document, then closed all docs and aps and left the computer, it will go to perpetual sleep. No key stroke will awaken it. I have to shut down and restart with the button.

And . .sometimes on restart I'll get a blank white screen. I believe I'm getting the smiley face, but the screen goes blank. Requiring another button shutdown and restart. Then it boots.

On days when I do not activate Classic, computer sleeps and awakens normally.

I've read somewhere that in OS X running Classic, reawakenings are SLOW. If they're talking about 5 to 10 minutes, I haven't waited that long before forcing a restart.

Does anybody recognize this symptom? Is it normal or potentially dangerous>? I've already lost one hard drive on this iMac and the new one is one month outside of it's 90-day warranty.

I've had same sleep problem on an iMac running Jaguar -- Classic is installed but not used. My fix has been to turn off the sleep in the energy saver in the system prefs. I only ever put that computer to sleep manually (under the Apple menu).
Sorry, have no insight into your other problems -- but in general my experience with sleep problems was not related to classic but to old iMacs (the PRE flat screen iMacs) running OSX.

I also find it hard to believe that this is a hard drive issue, although I'm no expert in these matters. However, I remember reading recently (in TidBits, I think) that if you go directly to the hard drive manufacture then you may be able to replace your faulty hard drive past the warrantee of your computer since the drive itself is usually guaranteed for several years.

Message #3 - Posted 2004/08/15 - Ed Anson

Charlie wrote:

Previously, stark wrote:

Running OS X 1.5. If I've opened Classic to view a Classic document, then closed all docs and aps and left the computer, it will go to perpetual sleep. No key stroke will awaken it. I have to shut down and restart with the button.

And . .sometimes on restart I'll get a blank white screen. I believe I'm getting the smiley face, but the screen goes blank. Requiring another button shutdown and restart. Then it boots.

On days when I do not activate Classic, computer sleeps and awakens normally.

I've read somewhere that in OS X running Classic, reawakenings are SLOW. If they're talking about 5 to 10 minutes, I haven't waited that long before forcing a restart.

Does anybody recognize this symptom? Is it normal or potentially dangerous>? I've already lost one hard drive on this iMac and the new one is one month outside of it's 90-day warranty.

I've had same sleep problem on an iMac running Jaguar -- Classic is installed but not used. My fix has been to turn off the sleep in the energy saver in the system prefs. I only ever put that computer to sleep manually (under the Apple menu).
Sorry, have no insight into your other problems -- but in general my experience with sleep problems was not related to classic but to old iMacs (the PRE flat screen iMacs) running OSX.

I also find it hard to believe that this is a hard drive issue, although I'm no expert in these matters. However, I remember reading recently (in TidBits, I think) that if you go directly to the hard drive manufacture then you may be able to replace your faulty hard drive past the warrantee of your computer since the drive itself is usually guaranteed for several years.

FWIW I used to have a similar problem with my G4 tower. When I updated to 10.3, the problem went away. YMMV.

Message #4 - Posted 2004/08/15 - Kevin McMurtrie

Previously, stark wrote:

Running OS X 1.5. If I've opened Classic to view a Classic document, then closed all docs and aps and left the computer, it will go to perpetual sleep. No key stroke will awaken it. I have to shut down and restart with the button.

And . .sometimes on restart I'll get a blank white screen. I believe I'm getting the smiley face, but the screen goes blank. Requiring another button shutdown and restart. Then it boots.

On days when I do not activate Classic, computer sleeps and awakens normally.

I've read somewhere that in OS X running Classic, reawakenings are SLOW. If they're talking about 5 to 10 minutes, I haven't waited that long before forcing a restart.

Does anybody recognize this symptom? Is it normal or potentially dangerous>? I've already lost one hard drive on this iMac and the new one is one month outside of it's 90-day warranty.

OS X is buggy, especially the earlier versions, but if a clean install of 10.3 doesn't help it's probably a hardware problem.

Message #5 - Posted 2004/08/16 - Charlie

Previously, Ed Anson wrote:

Charlie wrote:

Previously, stark wrote:

Running OS X 1.5. If I've opened Classic to view a Classic document, then closed all docs and aps and left the computer, it will go to perpetual sleep. No key stroke will awaken it. I have to shut down and restart with the button.

And . .sometimes on restart I'll get a blank white screen. I believe I'm getting the smiley face, but the screen goes blank. Requiring another button shutdown and restart. Then it boots.

On days when I do not activate Classic, computer sleeps and awakens normally.

I've read somewhere that in OS X running Classic, reawakenings are SLOW. If they're talking about 5 to 10 minutes, I haven't waited that long before forcing a restart.

Does anybody recognize this symptom? Is it normal or potentially dangerous>? I've already lost one hard drive on this iMac and the new one is one month outside of it's 90-day warranty.

I've had same sleep problem on an iMac running Jaguar -- Classic is installed but not used. My fix has been to turn off the sleep in the energy saver in the system prefs. I only ever put that computer to sleep manually (under the Apple menu).
Sorry, have no insight into your other problems -- but in general my experience with sleep problems was not related to classic but to old iMacs (the PRE flat screen iMacs) running OSX.

I also find it hard to believe that this is a hard drive issue, although I'm no expert in these matters. However, I remember reading recently (in TidBits, I think) that if you go directly to the hard drive manufacture then you may be able to replace your faulty hard drive past the warrantee of your computer since the drive itself is usually guaranteed for several years.

FWIW I used to have a similar problem with my G4 tower. When I updated to 10.3, the problem went away. YMMV.

Then perhaps the problem is with pre-panther OSX. I never did upgrade the old iMacs to Panther, so I don't know whether they would be cured. I was just going on personal anecdotal evidence :-)

Message #6 - Posted 2004/08/18 - Kyle Jones

Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

stark wrote:

I've read somewhere that in OS X running Classic, reawakenings are SLOW. If they're talking about 5 to 10 minutes, I haven't waited that long before forcing a restart.

Does anybody recognize this symptom? Is it normal or potentially dangerous>? I've already lost one hard drive on this iMac and the new one is one month outside of it's 90-day warranty.

OS X is buggy, especially the earlier versions, but if a clean install of 10.3 doesn't help it's probably a hardware problem.

Don't forget to try the all-purpose Mac cure-all--- zapping the PRAM. My Energy Saver problems mostly went away after I did that. The strange hangs and lock-ups after awakening and the occasional eternal sleeps are gone completely. The mouse has gone away once since then, requiring unplug/replug to get it going again. But this is a vast improvement over previous behavior.

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