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How to wake MacPro to record TV - (EyeTV)

Message #1 - Posted 2007/03/25 - Marc Heusser

I tried to record a tv show using EyeTV on a MacPro (Mac OS X 10.4.9). I programmed EyeTV for the correct time, and set the Mac to automatically wake in Energy Saver System Preference. I also set it to go to sleep after 3 hours only.

Unfortunately I only got a 42 second recording.
Watching it with a test I found that it wakes up, starts to record, and the screen saver waits for the user to unlock the screen with the password. If no one is at home, it will go to sleep again after 42 seconds.

How do I record the other 2 hours? ;-)

TIA

Marc

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Message #2 - Posted 2007/03/25 - Michelle Steiner

Previously, Niels J¯rgen Kruse wrote:

Watching it with a test I found that it wakes up, starts to record, and the screen saver waits for the user to unlock the screen with the password. If no one is at home, it will go to sleep again after 42 seconds.

How do I record the other 2 hours? ;-)

Turn off the screen saver?

Don't password protect the screen saver?

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Message #3 - Posted 2007/03/25 - Niels Jørgen Kruse

Marc Heusser wrote:

I tried to record a tv show using EyeTV on a MacPro (Mac OS X 10.4.9). I programmed EyeTV for the correct time, and set the Mac to automatically wake in Energy Saver System Preference. I also set it to go to sleep after 3 hours only.

Unfortunately I only got a 42 second recording.
Watching it with a test I found that it wakes up, starts to record, and the screen saver waits for the user to unlock the screen with the password. If no one is at home, it will go to sleep again after 42 seconds.

How do I record the other 2 hours? ;-)

Turn off the screen saver?

Mvh./Regards, Niels J¯rgen Kruse, Vanl¯se, Denmark

Message #4 - Posted 2007/03/25 - Graham Miln

Marc, the screen saver password is incredibly difficult to bypass - as it should be. Consider fast user switching to the Login Window before a recording.

I know some of our Power Manager users automate this Login Window switch just because of the screen saver password. When the Login Window is active, the screen saver does not block the wake up.

Hope this helps,

Graham Miln

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Message #5 - Posted 2007/03/25 - Andy Hewitt

Michelle Steiner wrote:

Previously, Niels J¯rgen Kruse wrote:

Watching it with a test I found that it wakes up, starts to record, and the screen saver waits for the user to unlock the screen with the password. If no one is at home, it will go to sleep again after 42 seconds.

How do I record the other 2 hours? ;-)

Turn off the screen saver?

Don't password protect the screen saver?

I have this happen as well, you have to make sure the Mac does not sleep while EyeTV is recording, otherwise it loses part, or all, of the recording. I've even had some that have got locked into recording, and won't stop.

Message #6 - Posted 2007/03/25 - Jolly Roger

On 2007-03-25 11:55:42 -0500, Marc Heusser said:

I tried to record a tv show using EyeTV on a MacPro (Mac OS X 10.4.9). I programmed EyeTV for the correct time, and set the Mac to automatically wake in Energy Saver System Preference. I also set it to go to sleep after 3 hours only.

Unfortunately I only got a 42 second recording.
Watching it with a test I found that it wakes up, starts to record, and the screen saver waits for the user to unlock the screen with the password. If no one is at home, it will go to sleep again after 42 seconds.

How do I record the other 2 hours? ;-)

Yeah. The problem is the criteria the system uses to determine if there is user activity does not include recording. So the system wakes up for a bit, sees there is no user activity, then falls back asleep. Mac OS X is a heavy sleeper. : D

You're going to have to do one of two things:

a) Don't let the computer sleep at all (you can still let the *display* sleep though).

-or-

b) Figure out how to schedule one of the utilities that prevents sleep while it's running to run at the same time as the machine wakes up.

JR

Message #7 - Posted 2007/03/25 - Matthew T. Russotto

Previously, Marc Heusser wrote:

I tried to record a tv show using EyeTV on a MacPro (Mac OS X 10.4.9). I programmed EyeTV for the correct time, and set the Mac to automatically wake in Energy Saver System Preference. I also set it to go to sleep after 3 hours only.

Unfortunately I only got a 42 second recording.
Watching it with a test I found that it wakes up, starts to record, and the screen saver waits for the user to unlock the screen with the password. If no one is at home, it will go to sleep again after 42 seconds.

How do I record the other 2 hours? ;-)

Turn off the setting to lock the screen on sleep or screen saver. Report the situation to the EyeTV people; it's likely a bug in either their software (which should be preventing the Mac from sleeping during a recording) or the OS.

Isn't using a Mac Pro to record TV a case of using an elephant gun to swat a fly?

There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one.

Message #8 - Posted 2007/03/26 - Marc Heusser

Previously, Matthew T. Russotto wrote:

Previously, Marc Heusser wrote:

I tried to record a tv show using EyeTV on a MacPro (Mac OS X 10.4.9). I programmed EyeTV for the correct time, and set the Mac to automatically wake in Energy Saver System Preference. I also set it to go to sleep after 3 hours only.

Unfortunately I only got a 42 second recording.
Watching it with a test I found that it wakes up, starts to record, and the screen saver waits for the user to unlock the screen with the password. If no one is at home, it will go to sleep again after 42 seconds.

How do I record the other 2 hours? ;-)

Turn off the setting to lock the screen on sleep or screen saver. Report the situation to the EyeTV people; it's likely a bug in either their software (which should be preventing the Mac from sleeping during a recording) or the OS.

I will.

Isn't using a Mac Pro to record TV a case of using an elephant gun to swat a fly?

It is not the only use of the Mac - why should I get another display (30" displays do not come cheap ...) and another recorder :-) Plus it happens about once a month.

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Message #9 - Posted 2007/03/26 - Graham Miln

Previously, Matthew T. Russotto wrote:

Report the situation to the EyeTV people; it's likely a bug in either their software (which should be preventing the Mac from sleeping during a recording) or the OS.

Sadly EyeTV's developers will not be able to help if you continue to use the secure screen saver. In Mac OS X 10.4 the screen saver is self contained - no external process appears to be able to affect its sleep timer.

Updating the user activity timers and blocking idle sleep (IOPM functions) do not affect the screen saver's password timer.

The simplest programmatic solution is to produce a small tool that simulates keyboard or mouse input on wake - like Wake Assist. This is far from a perfect solution, as continuing to keep your Mac awake with fake user input will cause your monitor to stay awake.

The best solution with Mac OS X 10.4 is to fast user switch to the Login Window or disable the secure screen saver.

Hope this helps,

Graham Miln

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Message #10 - Posted 2007/03/26 - Jolly Roger

On 2007-03-26 03:06:39 -0500, Graham Miln said:

Previously, Matthew T. Russotto wrote:

Report the situation to the EyeTV people; it's likely a bug in either their software (which should be preventing the Mac from sleeping during a recording) or the OS.

Sadly EyeTV's developers will not be able to help if you continue to use the secure screen saver. In Mac OS X 10.4 the screen saver is self contained

Let's be clear - it's *not* the screen saver that is the problem. It's the fact that the computer is going to sleep. Go into Energy Saver and turn off sleep for the *computer* (the *display* can still sleep without issue) and the problem will go away, like I said in another post in this thread.

JR

Message #11 - Posted 2007/03/27 - Graham Miln

Previously, Jolly Roger wrote:

Let's be clear - it's *not* the screen saver that is the problem.

Jolly Roger, I have assumed Marc wanted to retain the sleep ability of his Mac. Running your Mac 24/7 is expensive just record a 2 hour programme. :-)

Kind regards,

Graham Miln

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Message #12 - Posted 2007/03/27 - Philo D

Isn't using a Mac Pro to record TV a case of using an elephant gun to swat a fly?

Spoken like someone who has never used a DVR

Message #13 - Posted 2007/03/28 - Jolly Roger

On 2007-03-27 05:43:03 -0500, Graham Miln said:

Previously, Jolly Roger wrote:

Let's be clear - it's *not* the screen saver that is the problem.

Jolly Roger, I have assumed Marc wanted to retain the sleep ability of his Mac. Running your Mac 24/7 is expensive just record a 2 hour programme. :-)

Yes, and I am saying the screen saver is not the same thing as sleep. You can have your computer go to sleep and not use the screen saver at all.

JR

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