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iBook Batteries

Message #1 - Posted 2005/11/20 - X Kyle M Thompson

Is there a higher capacity/better/cheaper option than the genuine Apple article?

Since I have given up my oooh shiny desire for a new PB, I figure I'd better make the best of what I have.

Battery is only good for about an hour now, not bad for 2 years I suppose.

kt.

Message #2 - Posted 2005/11/20 - Peter Ceresole

X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

Since I have given up my oooh shiny desire for a new PB, I figure I'd better make the best of what I have.

Battery is only good for about an hour now, not bad for 2 years I suppose.

Hmmm. For two years, that seems seriously short to me. Maybe after just short of four years, an hour is okay. That's the situation on my 667 TiBook anyway. I guess it depends on how it's been used. I use the TiBook on mains just as much as I can.

Peter

Message #3 - Posted 2005/11/20 - Woody

X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

Is there a higher capacity/better/cheaper option than the genuine Apple article?

Since I have given up my oooh shiny desire for a new PB, I figure I'd better make the best of what I have.

Battery is only good for about an hour now, not bad for 2 years I suppose.

About what you can expect. I got a battery on ebay for my powerbook, and now am enjoying the benefits of greater than 4 hours. Well worth the £50 (inc shipping).

Woody

www.alienrat.com

Message #4 - Posted 2005/11/20 - Ryan Callaghan

X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

Is there a higher capacity/better/cheaper option than the genuine Apple article?

Since I have given up my oooh shiny desire for a new PB, I figure I'd better make the best of what I have.

Battery is only good for about an hour now, not bad for 2 years I suppose.

New 3rd party batteries seem to be going for about £45 on ebay for 4000mAh capacity. Apples current ones are quoted as 50 Watt-hours, which works out to about 4600mAh.

for the price difference, I'd probably go with the eBay ones. The Apple originals will be better quality, but whether they're worth nearly 2x as much is another matter.

1 hour seems quite bad for a 2 year old battery, I've got 3 that are at least that old, and of those the worst (and the newest) is at 75% of original capacity.

Ryan Callaghan
Email: callagrm<at>aston<dot>ac<dot>uk ICQ: 20957015

Message #5 - Posted 2005/11/20 - Woody

Ryan Callaghan wrote:

1 hour seems quite bad for a 2 year old battery, I've got 3 that are at least that old, and of those the worst (and the newest) is at 75% of original capacity.

My 2 year old one was at 1 hour

Woody

www.alienrat.com

Message #6 - Posted 2005/11/20 - Jon B

X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

Is there a higher capacity/better/cheaper option than the genuine Apple article?

Since I have given up my oooh shiny desire for a new PB, I figure I'd better make the best of what I have.

Battery is only good for about an hour now, not bad for 2 years I suppose.

As others say eBay offer some cheap alternatives. However many of the usual Apple retailers have clearance 'batteries' in stock, normally one someones bought and returned as the wrong one after opening it, usually with a tidy discount, how we've picked up most of our spare batteries and PSUs at work ;)

Jon B
real email to usenet at jonbradbury dot com

Message #7 - Posted 2005/11/20 - X Kyle M Thompson

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Woody wrote:

Ryan Callaghan wrote:

1 hour seems quite bad for a 2 year old battery, I've got 3 that are at least that old, and of those the worst (and the newest) is at 75% of original capacity.

My 2 year old one was at 1 hour

Mine seems to have dropped suddenly since April. The only time I have ever regularly used the iBook not plugged in was last Nov - April while I was away, and then I seem to recall getting a good 4 hours with AirPort on.

kt.

Message #8 - Posted 2005/11/20 - Woody

X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Woody wrote:

Ryan Callaghan wrote:

1 hour seems quite bad for a 2 year old battery, I've got 3 that are at least that old, and of those the worst (and the newest) is at 75% of original capacity.

My 2 year old one was at 1 hour

Mine seems to have dropped suddenly since April. The only time I have ever regularly used the iBook not plugged in was last Nov - April while I was away, and then I seem to recall getting a good 4 hours with AirPort on.

Mine was steady at about 1.5 hours until september, then it dropped to just under the hour.
Except I always use mine off power.

Woody

www.alienrat.com

Message #9 - Posted 2005/11/20 - Roger Merriman

X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Woody wrote:

Ryan Callaghan wrote:

1 hour seems quite bad for a 2 year old battery, I've got 3 that are at least that old, and of those the worst (and the newest) is at 75% of original capacity.

My 2 year old one was at 1 hour

Mine seems to have dropped suddenly since April. The only time I have ever regularly used the iBook not plugged in was last Nov - April while I was away, and then I seem to recall getting a good 4 hours with AirPort on.

kt.

whats the cycle count out of intrest?

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

roger

Message #10 - Posted 2005/11/20 - Woody

Roger Merriman wrote:

X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005, Woody wrote:

Ryan Callaghan wrote:

1 hour seems quite bad for a 2 year old battery, I've got 3 that are at least that old, and of those the worst (and the newest) is at 75% of original capacity.

My 2 year old one was at 1 hour

Mine seems to have dropped suddenly since April. The only time I have ever regularly used the iBook not plugged in was last Nov - April while I was away, and then I seem to recall getting a good 4 hours with AirPort on.

kt.

whats the cycle count out of intrest?

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

64 here - 5:13 :-)

Woody

www.alienrat.com

Message #11 - Posted 2005/11/21 - Macintosh Mike

On 19/11/2005 6:32 PM, in article Pine.OSX.4.58.0511200030040.2124@tigger.local, X Kyle M Thompson wrote:

Is there a higher capacity/better/cheaper option than the genuine Apple article?

This company offer higher capacity iBook batteries

http://www.newertech.com/powerbook

I've ordered from them before and based on a sample size of one, had no problems whatsoever.

Mike

Message #12 - Posted 2005/11/21 - Taliesin2

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:05:19 -0500, Macintosh Mike wrote (in a previous article):

This company offer higher capacity iBook batteries

http://www.newertech.com/powerbook

I've ordered from them before and based on a sample size of one, had no problems whatsoever.

Mike

What is their battery recycle policy? Thanks.

Message #13 - Posted 2005/11/21 - David Kennedy

Ryan Callaghan wrote:

1 hour seems quite bad for a 2 year old battery, I've got 3 that are at least that old, and of those the worst (and the newest) is at 75% of original capacity.

YMWV on these things, I've got a Wallstreet still happily running on it's original battery. And an iboko that has about 5 minutes useful [?] life on battery. Horses etc. One iboko we bought needed a new battery within the first week. another after 2 years still lasts for 3 hours.

Message #14 - Posted 2005/11/21 - Ryan Callaghan

David Kennedy wrote:

Ryan Callaghan wrote:

1 hour seems quite bad for a 2 year old battery, I've got 3 that are at least that old, and of those the worst (and the newest) is at 75% of original capacity.

YMWV on these things, I've got a Wallstreet still happily running on it's original battery. And an iboko that has about 5 minutes useful [?] life on battery. Horses etc. One iboko we bought needed a new battery within the first week. another after 2 years still lasts for 3 hours.

My Wallstreet lasted for ages on the original battery, before it gave in totally, of course the PRAM battery was long gone, meaning I had to get a new batt for it to even be usable without much fiddling (Panther doesn't want to boot if the machine has had power pulled) One thing that can work to resurrect bad batteries is to drain it with the system running Linux off a CD with no power management, if the battery memory is badly wrong, suspending the PM lets it drain enough that it resets.

Ryan Callaghan
Email: callagrm<at>aston<dot>ac<dot>uk ICQ: 20957015

Message #15 - Posted 2005/11/21 - David Kennedy

Roger Merriman wrote:

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

Message #16 - Posted 2005/11/21 - Woody

David Kennedy wrote:

Roger Merriman wrote:

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

This bit?
<http://internal.alienrat.net/images/battery.png> --
Woody

www.alienrat.com

Message #17 - Posted 2005/11/21 - Peter Ceresole

David Kennedy wrote:

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

Isn't it some utility? Not included in the basic sysem prefs... --
Peter

Message #18 - Posted 2005/11/21 - Jon B

David Kennedy wrote:

Roger Merriman wrote:

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

Tiger?

Jon B
real email to usenet at jonbradbury dot com

Message #19 - Posted 2005/11/21 - Ben Shimmin

Jon B <black.hole@jonbradbury.com>:

David Kennedy wrote:

Roger Merriman wrote:

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

Tiger?

On Panther, you can find out from the terminal with

$ ioreg -l | grep Capacity

b.

Enjoy responsibly. <URL:http://bas.me.uk/>

Message #20 - Posted 2005/11/22 - David Kennedy

Peter Ceresole wrote:

David Kennedy wrote:

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

Isn't it some utility? Not included in the basic sysem prefs...

Rogers comment pointed at System Profiler. Or maybe it's a Tigger thing?

Message #21 - Posted 2005/11/22 - David Kennedy

Woody wrote:

David Kennedy wrote:

Roger Merriman wrote:

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

This bit?
<http://internal.alienrat.net/images/battery.png>

Tigger ????

Message #22 - Posted 2005/11/22 - David Kennedy

Ben Shimmin wrote:

Jon B <black.hole@jonbradbury.com>:

David Kennedy wrote:

Roger Merriman wrote:

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

Tiger?

On Panther, you can find out from the terminal with

$ ioreg -l | grep Capacity

b.

Command not Found

-(

Message #23 - Posted 2005/11/22 - Peter Ceresole

David Kennedy wrote:

Isn't it some utility? Not included in the basic sysem prefs...

Rogers comment pointed at System Profiler. Or maybe it's a Tigger thing?

Must be Tigger. Although I seem to remember that there was some app that got you the battery stats in Panther. Maybe not...

Peter

Message #24 - Posted 2005/11/22 - Ben Shimmin

David Kennedy <davidkennedy@dmnc.NOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk>:

Ben Shimmin wrote:

Jon B <black.hole@jonbradbury.com>:

David Kennedy wrote:

Roger Merriman wrote:

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

Tiger?

On Panther, you can find out from the terminal with

$ ioreg -l | grep Capacity

Command not Found

Er, I think that should work. I don't have Panther to check, though. Oh, hold on. Did you type the dollar? If yes, try it again without.

b.

Enjoy responsibly. <URL:http://bas.me.uk/>

Message #25 - Posted 2005/11/22 - David Kennedy

Ben Shimmin wrote:

David Kennedy <davidkennedy@dmnc.NOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk>:

Ben Shimmin wrote:

On Panther, you can find out from the terminal with

$ ioreg -l | grep Capacity

Command not Found

Er, I think that should work. I don't have Panther to check, though. Oh, hold on. Did you type the dollar? If yes, try it again without.

Hmmmm.

[David-Kennedys-Computer:~] davidken% ioreg -l | grep Capacity

"IOBatteryInfo" =

({"Capacity"=0,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=0,"Voltage"$

"IOBatteryInfo" =

({"Capacity"=0,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=0,"$

Didn't actually tell me a lot....

Message #26 - Posted 2005/11/22 - Ben Shimmin

David Kennedy <davidkennedy@dmnc.NOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk>:

[ioreg -l | grep Capacity]

Hmmmm.

[David-Kennedys-Computer:~] davidken% ioreg -l | grep Capacity

"IOBatteryInfo" =

({"Capacity"=0,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=0,"Voltage"$

"IOBatteryInfo" =

({"Capacity"=0,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=0,"$

Didn't actually tell me a lot....

Try `ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity' instead (without the quotes, of course). That should wrap it nicely for you.

Which Panther are you using? I neglected to mention that you need at least 10.3.8 to get your cycle count.

b.

Enjoy responsibly. <URL:http://bas.me.uk/>

Message #27 - Posted 2005/11/22 - David Kennedy

Ben Shimmin wrote:

Try `ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity' instead (without the quotes, of course). That should wrap it nicely for you.

Which Panther are you using? I neglected to mention that you need at least 10.3.8 to get your cycle count.

That's better :-

[David-Kennedys-Computer:~] davidken% ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity

"IOBatteryInfo" =

({"Capacity"=0,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=0,"Voltage"=0,"Flags"=1},{"Capacity"=1996,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=1996,"Voltage"=16502,"Flags"=5})

"IOBatteryInfo" =

({"Capacity"=0,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=0,"Voltage"=0,"Flags"=1},{"Capacity"=1996,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=1996,"Voltage"=16502,"Flags"=5})

on 10.3.9

Not quite sure why it repeated....

Message #28 - Posted 2005/11/22 - Roger Merriman

Peter Ceresole wrote:

David Kennedy wrote:

Isn't it some utility? Not included in the basic sysem prefs...

Rogers comment pointed at System Profiler. Or maybe it's a Tigger thing?

Must be Tigger. Although I seem to remember that there was some app that got you the battery stats in Panther. Maybe not...

yes tiger system profile has the cycle count under power, and a wee utility called coconutBattery gives it as well though both seem to be tiger only but http://www.branox.com/Battorox/Battorox.html seem to be for older OS's as well can't test as i am tiger only, be intresting to know what cycles those of you with older mac's have managed to clock up and with the battery life.

roger

Message #29 - Posted 2005/11/22 - Ben Shimmin

David Kennedy <davidkennedy@dmnc.NOSPAM.freeserve.co.uk>:

Ben Shimmin wrote:

Try `ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity' instead (without the quotes, of course). That should wrap it nicely for you.

Which Panther are you using? I neglected to mention that you need at least 10.3.8 to get your cycle count.

That's better :-

[David-Kennedys-Computer:~] davidken% ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity

"IOBatteryInfo" =

({"Capacity"=0,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=0,"Voltage"=0,"Flags"=1},{"Capacity"=1996,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=1996,"Voltage"=16502,"Flags"=5})

"IOBatteryInfo" =

({"Capacity"=0,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=0,"Voltage"=0,"Flags"=1},{"Capacity"=1996,"Amperage"=0,"Current"=1996,"Voltage"=16502,"Flags"=5})

There should be a "Cycle Count"=xxx between `Amperage' and `Current'. I guess your model doesn't support that feature.

Sorry for wasting your time!

b.

Enjoy responsibly. <URL:http://bas.me.uk/>

Message #30 - Posted 2005/11/22 - David Kennedy

Ben Shimmin wrote:

There should be a "Cycle Count"=xxx between `Amperage' and `Current'. I guess your model doesn't support that feature.

Sorry for wasting your time!

No problem. Tried with Battorox but it wouldn't even load.

Message #31 - Posted 2005/11/22 - Woody

David Kennedy wrote:

Woody wrote:

David Kennedy wrote:

Roger Merriman wrote:

system profile - power should give a clycle count. 946 here, around 2hr or so.

I get nothing like this on either the PB or the iboko. What am I missing?

This bit?
<http://internal.alienrat.net/images/battery.png>

Tigger ????

Indeed.

Woody

www.alienrat.com

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