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Macbook Pro hibernation

Message #1 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Ian Robinson

Someone asked a while back about changing batteries on a MacBook Pro in sleep mode and whether it hibernated and preserved the sleep state when you removed the battery without having the power cord plugged in.

The answer is that it does. When you power it on with the changed battery in place it boots quickly to where you were prior to sleep but it loads the memory state from disk. The screen is drawn in grey during this process.

Ian

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Message #2 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Frédérique & Hervé Sainct

Ian Robinson wrote:

(...) it loads the memory state from disk.

Which is also why it's longer in entering sleep mode, compared to older machines (where this was instant).

When you close the screen, the "sleep light" switches instantly, but if you look closer, it stays constantly at max. light for many seconds (while the machine actually doesn't sleep at all, writing your Gigabyte of memory state on disk) and only after this the fan tuns off and the "vanishing light" appears.

OK, often times the fan is not on anyway at the beginning, but this was only to comfort those poor ones that don't own a MBP ;-)

H.

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Message #3 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:38:34 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

Someone asked a while back about changing batteries on a MacBook Pro in sleep mode and whether it hibernated and preserved the sleep state when you removed the battery without having the power cord plugged in.

The answer is that it does.

Yay! Proper hibernation, the useful way.

When you power it on with the changed
battery in place it boots quickly to where you were prior to sleep but it loads the memory state from disk. The screen is drawn in grey during this process.

Are the settings for hibernation visible in the energy saver control?

Cheers - Jaimie

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Message #4 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Ian Robinson

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:57:45 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Are the settings for hibernation visible in the energy saver control?

No.

Ian

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Message #5 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:13:02 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:57:45 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Are the settings for hibernation visible in the energy saver control?

No.

Poot. And from HervÈ's post, it sounds like hibernate _replaces_ sleep mode - is that right?

Does Patrick Stein's Hibernate (http://www.jinx.de/weblog/weblog.html) give you a choice of sleep/hibernate, like it does for my G4 PB12"?

Cheers - Jaimie

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Message #6 - Posted 2006/08/30 - zoara

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:13:02 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:57:45 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Are the settings for hibernation visible in the energy saver control?

No.

Poot. And from HervÈ's post, it sounds like hibernate _replaces_ sleep mode - is that right?

The way hibernate works is that it sleeps as normal (barring the write-to-memory pause as it dozes off) but if the battery drains completely - and the machine shuts off - then when it next gets power it will turn on and 'boot' from the saved state.

So the only difference is a longer pause before sleeping and 'automatic' hibernation if you run out of battery completely. Seems like the most user-friendly way of managing it.

Does Patrick Stein's Hibernate (http://www.jinx.de/weblog/weblog.html) give you a choice of sleep/hibernate, like it does for my G4 PB12"?

Oooh. Shame it doesn't work on my iBook G4.

-z-

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Message #7 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:29:46 +0100, zoara wrote:

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

Poot. And from HervÈ's post, it sounds like hibernate _replaces_ sleep mode - is that right?

The way hibernate works is that it sleeps as normal (barring the write-to-memory pause as it dozes off) but if the battery drains completely - and the machine shuts off - then when it next gets power it will turn on and 'boot' from the saved state.

So the only difference is a longer pause before sleeping and 'automatic' hibernation if you run out of battery completely. Seems like the most user-friendly way of managing it.

Comprendez. Very useful in that case.

Doesn't help if you want to switch out the battery before the machine decides to move into hibernation, though. Or if you know you're going to be away from power for a couple of days and want to switch to hibernate intentionally.

Does Patrick Stein's Hibernate (http://www.jinx.de/weblog/weblog.html) give you a choice of sleep/hibernate, like it does for my G4 PB12"?

Oooh. Shame it doesn't work on my iBook G4.

Handy for us lucky peeps though!

Cheers - Jaimie

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Message #8 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Ian Robinson

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:17:39 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Does Patrick Stein's Hibernate (http://www.jinx.de/weblog/weblog.html) give you a choice of sleep/hibernate, like it does for my G4 PB12"?

Don't know. I'm happy with the behavior at present. If I don't replace the battery when in sleep mode then it starts up instantaneously when opening the lid. If I've replaced the battery it reloads saved state from disk.

Seems fair to me.

Ian

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Message #9 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Ian Robinson

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:49:18 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Doesn't help if you want to switch out the battery before the machine decides to move into hibernation, though. Or if you know you're going to be away from power for a couple of days and want to switch to hibernate intentionally.

All this means is it'll take some n extra seconds to startup again. Need to change the battery. Close lid. Make sure sleep light is blinking. Change battery. Open lid. Back to where you left off.

Ian

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Message #10 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:58:59 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:17:39 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Does Patrick Stein's Hibernate (http://www.jinx.de/weblog/weblog.html) give you a choice of sleep/hibernate, like it does for my G4 PB12"?

Don't know. I'm happy with the behavior at present. If I don't replace the battery when in sleep mode then it starts up instantaneously when opening the lid. If I've replaced the battery it reloads saved state from disk.

Oh - does this mean that I've misunderstood?

Are you saying that the 'Boko always save state to disk anyway, then sleeps, then hibernate if necessary? So any power interruption just results in un-hibernation instead of a cold boot.

Cheers - J

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Message #11 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:01:33 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:49:18 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Doesn't help if you want to switch out the battery before the machine decides to move into hibernation, though. Or if you know you're going to be away from power for a couple of days and want to switch to hibernate intentionally.

All this means is it'll take some n extra seconds to startup again. Need to change the battery. Close lid. Make sure sleep light is blinking. Change battery. Open lid. Back to where you left off.

That answers my other post! Thanks for the clarification, that's rather clever.

Cheers - Jaimie

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Message #12 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:29:46 +0100, zoara wrote:

Does Patrick Stein's Hibernate (http://www.jinx.de/weblog/weblog.html) give you a choice of sleep/hibernate, like it does for my G4 PB12"?

Oooh. Shame it doesn't work on my iBook G4.

Have you tried this one?

http://six27.com/kiwi/

Cheers - J

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Message #13 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Frédérique & Hervé Sainct

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

Are you saying that the 'Boko always save state to disk anyway, then sleeps, then hibernate if necessary? So any power interruption just results in un-hibernation instead of a cold boot.

yes.

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Message #14 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Ian Robinson

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:01:37 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Are you saying that the 'Boko always save state to disk anyway, then sleeps, then hibernate if necessary? So any power interruption just results in un-hibernation instead of a cold boot.

So far. Not sure I'd say always. It might screw up at some point :-)

Ian

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Message #15 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Peter Hayes

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:29:46 +0100, zoara wrote (in a previous article):

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:13:02 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:57:45 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Are the settings for hibernation visible in the energy saver control?

No.

Poot. And from HervÈ's post, it sounds like hibernate _replaces_ sleep mode - is that right?

The way hibernate works is that it sleeps as normal (barring the write-to-memory pause as it dozes off)

But does it wake up as fast as the G4 PowerBook, ie nearly instantly?

I think that's far more important than an extra few seconds to get to sleep.

--

Peter

Message #16 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Jon B

Ian Robinson wrote:

Someone asked a while back about changing batteries on a MacBook Pro in sleep mode and whether it hibernated and preserved the sleep state when you removed the battery without having the power cord plugged in.

The answer is that it does. When you power it on with the changed battery in place it boots quickly to where you were prior to sleep but it loads the memory state from disk. The screen is drawn in grey during this process.

As does also my MacBook [1]. Unfortunately its decided to forget about the keyboard, so not totally useful, although with total failure you would at least be able to do a save, then restart the machine. Have to try another time and see if the keyboard works on wake.

[1] Decided to check as I'd noticed it was a bit slower at sleeping too. --
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Message #17 - Posted 2006/08/30 - Jon B

Jon B wrote:

Ian Robinson wrote:

Someone asked a while back about changing batteries on a MacBook Pro in sleep mode and whether it hibernated and preserved the sleep state when you removed the battery without having the power cord plugged in.

The answer is that it does. When you power it on with the changed battery in place it boots quickly to where you were prior to sleep but it loads the memory state from disk. The screen is drawn in grey during this process.

As does also my MacBook [1]. Unfortunately its decided to forget about the keyboard, so not totally useful, although with total failure you would at least be able to do a save, then restart the machine. Have to try another time and see if the keyboard works on wake.

[1] Decided to check as I'd noticed it was a bit slower at sleeping too.

Following up but having unplugged the G4s keyboard out of the macbook, the keyboard now works again.

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Message #18 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Ian Robinson

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:41:03 +0100, Peter Hayes wrote (in a previous article):

But does it wake up as fast as the G4 PowerBook, ie nearly instantly?

Yes. From sleep. Longer from hibernation.

Ian

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Message #19 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Richard Tobin

Previously, FrÈdÈrique & Her vÈ Sainct wrote:

(while the machine actually doesn't sleep at all, writing your Gigabyte of memory state on disk)

I would hope it doesn't write the whole gigabyte. Much of it will be read-only data (program code, shared libraries) and quite likely other parts of it will already have up-to-date copies in swap space.

-- Richard

Message #20 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Richard Tobin

Previously, zoara wrote:

So the only difference is a longer pause before sleeping

What happens if you open it before it has finished writing out the data? Does it abort and start up immediately?

and 'automatic'
hibernation if you run out of battery completely. Seems like the most user-friendly way of managing it.

If you know you're not going to switch it on for a long while it would be handy to be able to make it hibernate immediately, rather than having the battery run down. I suppose you could remove and replace the battery...

-- Richard

Message #21 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Rexx Magnus

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:47:32 GMT, Richard Tobin scrawled:

and 'automatic'
hibernation if you run out of battery completely. Seems like the most user-friendly way of managing it.

If you know you're not going to switch it on for a long while it would be handy to be able to make it hibernate immediately, rather than having the battery run down. I suppose you could remove and replace the battery...

I think the control must be simpler than that, something like if it's put to sleep on battery, it'll hibernate - else on mains it'll just sleep, otherwise how the heck does it know that the battery is going to be removed so as to hibernate rather than just sleep?

I think it's a case of the former. If there's no battery reserve, it'll hibernate (even on mains) whereas if there is, it'll just sleep whilst on mains. If on battery only, it'll hibernate regardless in case of removal.

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Message #22 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Jon B

Richard Tobin wrote:

Previously, zoara wrote:

So the only difference is a longer pause before sleeping

What happens if you open it before it has finished writing out the data? Does it abort and start up immediately?

No it will continue saving, then wake up.

and 'automatic'
hibernation if you run out of battery completely. Seems like the most user-friendly way of managing it.

If you know you're not going to switch it on for a long while it would be handy to be able to make it hibernate immediately, rather than having the battery run down. I suppose you could remove and replace the battery...

It does, I put my MacBook to sleep yesterday evening with 2hrs battery left, it hibernated, I removed the battery as soon as it entered the usual pulsing sleep, replaced battery a few mins later, and it awoke from the hibernated state on the HD.

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Message #23 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Richard Tobin

Previously, Rexx Magnus wrote:

I think it's a case of the former. If there's no battery reserve, it'll hibernate (even on mains) whereas if there is, it'll just sleep whilst on mains. If on battery only, it'll hibernate regardless in case of removal.

Maybe I wasn't clear. What I would want is sometimes for it to save the state and then sleep, and sometimes for it to save the state and then turn off immediately, so as not to run the battery down. You can presumably achieve the effect of the latter by putting it to sleep and then removing and replacing the battery.

-- Richard

Message #24 - Posted 2006/08/31 - zoara

On 31 Aug 2006 09:53:33 GMT, Rexx Magnus wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:47:32 GMT, Richard Tobin scrawled:

and 'automatic'
hibernation if you run out of battery completely. Seems like the most user-friendly way of managing it.

If you know you're not going to switch it on for a long while it would be handy to be able to make it hibernate immediately, rather than having the battery run down. I suppose you could remove and replace the battery...

I think the control must be simpler than that, something like if it's put to sleep on battery, it'll hibernate - else on mains it'll just sleep, otherwise how the heck does it know that the battery is going to be removed so as to hibernate rather than just sleep?

What might be useful - in order to avoid the battery-removal hack - would be for the power-button menu to include an option to hibernate immediately.

This should have no effect on the current behaviour, so now you have three scenarios:

1. No hibernation:
User closes lid (or whatever) to sleep the machine. It saves its state in preparation for hibernation (just in case). User wakes it up before battery runs out.

2. Automatic hibernation:
User closes lid (or whatever) to sleep the machine. It saves its state in preparation for hibernation (just in case). Battery runs out. When user re-supplies power, it boots from its saved state.

3. Manual hibernation:
User elects to hibernate manually (power, then H key?). It saves its state and then turns off. When user re-supplies power, it boots from its saved state.

That seems to be the best of both worlds to me.

-z-

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Message #25 - Posted 2006/08/31 - zoara

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:07:48 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:29:46 +0100, zoara wrote:

Does Patrick Stein's Hibernate (http://www.jinx.de/weblog/weblog.html) give you a choice of sleep/hibernate, like it does for my G4 PB12"?

Oooh. Shame it doesn't work on my iBook G4.

Have you tried this one?

http://six27.com/kiwi/

I appear to be stuck in the middle. My iBook is (presumably) not new enough to work with the first suggestion, but is not old enough to work with the second.

Oh well. To be honest, I am not that fussed unless there is a third party solution that works as seamlessly as the Apple one. I'm happy to wait until I can afford a new machine ;)

-z-

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Message #26 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Bonge Boo

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:38:34 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

Someone asked a while back about changing batteries on a MacBook Pro in sleep mode and whether it hibernated and preserved the sleep state when you removed the battery without having the power cord plugged in.

The answer is that it does.

Yay! Proper hibernation, the useful way.

Bearing in mind how shite it on Windows, is it any better on the Mac?

I like Sleep. It just works.

Message #27 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Richard Tobin

Previously, Bonge Boo wrote:

I like Sleep. It just works.

Until the battery runs out. And it forgets what time it is (that doesn't happen on PCs).

-- Richard

Message #28 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:46:38 +0100, Bonge Boo wrote:

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:38:34 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

Someone asked a while back about changing batteries on a MacBook Pro in sleep mode and whether it hibernated and preserved the sleep state when you removed the battery without having the power cord plugged in.

The answer is that it does.

Yay! Proper hibernation, the useful way.

Bearing in mind how shite it on Windows, is it any better on the Mac?

I like Sleep. It just works.

It's only shite on Windows because Windows is rubbish at cold-starting devices that the OS thinks are still warm, IYSWIM. OS failure, not a hardware problem as such.

Hibernation works perfectly on my PB12", in an unsupported fashion.

Cheers - Jaimie

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Message #29 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Frédérique & Hervé Sainct

Richard Tobin wrote:

I would hope it doesn't write the whole gigabyte. Much of it will be read-only data (program code, shared libraries) and quite likely other parts of it will already have up-to-date copies in swap space.

Let's hope ;-)

But it's fast anyway.

H.

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Message #30 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Bonge Boo

Richard Tobin wrote:

Previously, Bonge Boo wrote:

I like Sleep. It just works.

Until the battery runs out. And it forgets what time it is (that doesn't happen on PCs).

Only time the batteries ran out on me was when it went away for such a long time it should have been shutdown anyway. My TiBook comfortably sleeps for over a week.

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability.... I'd rather use sleep, unless Apple have got a working version. I recall they pulled hibernation from 10.4 as it didn't work...

Message #31 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:14:57 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:01:37 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote (in a previous article):

Are you saying that the 'Boko always save state to disk anyway, then sleeps, then hibernate if necessary? So any power interruption just results in un-hibernation instead of a cold boot.

So far. Not sure I'd say always. It might screw up at some point :-)

Blimey. After a little experimenting today, this is _exactly_ how my PB12" has been behaving ever since I used Patrick Stein's Hibernate.

That (for those of us with 'Bokos that support it) offers normal (sleep only), Intel-like (saves state then sleeps, then hibernates), and hibernate-only.

I'd set it to sleep+hibernate, and it's been working just as Ian and Herve describe for the last six months - without me even being aware of it! D'oh.

Cheers - Jaimie

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Message #32 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Richard Tobin

Previously, Bonge Boo wrote:

Until the battery runs out. And it forgets what time it is (that doesn't happen on PCs).

Only time the batteries ran out on me was when it went away for such a long time it should have been shutdown anyway. My TiBook comfortably sleeps for over a week.

Well, it depends on how charged the battery was when you put it to sleep. I left mine for just over a day, and had no end of trouble getting it to restore the time afterwards (the usual ntp wouldn't do it, because it was "too wrong").

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Fortunately, I've never really used Windows.

-- Richard

Message #33 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Woody

Bonge Boo wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote:

Previously, Bonge Boo wrote:

I like Sleep. It just works.

Until the battery runs out. And it forgets what time it is (that doesn't happen on PCs).

Only time the batteries ran out on me was when it went away for such a long time it should have been shutdown anyway. My TiBook comfortably sleeps for over a week.

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

Woody

www.alienrat.com

Message #34 - Posted 2006/08/31 - SteveH

Woody wrote:

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

I have enough issues waking up my W2K laptop from sleeping. There's no way I'm going to risk hibernation.

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Message #35 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Jon B

Bonge Boo wrote:

Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:38:34 +0100, Ian Robinson wrote:

Someone asked a while back about changing batteries on a MacBook Pro in sleep mode and whether it hibernated and preserved the sleep state when you removed the battery without having the power cord plugged in.

The answer is that it does.

Yay! Proper hibernation, the useful way.

Bearing in mind how shite it on Windows, is it any better on the Mac?

I like Sleep. It just works.

The MB & MBPs still sleep, they just save the state to HD for hibernation in case of a total power loss [1], that also 'just works'. It wasn't until Ians post I'd even twigged the MacBook was also hibernating.

[1] And I'm glad to say today the keyboard worked on being woke up so yesterdays 'glitch' hopefully was a one off.

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Message #36 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Jon B

Bonge Boo wrote:

use sleep, unless Apple have got a working version. I recall they pulled hibernation from 10.4 as it didn't work...

Wasn't that as far back as 10.3??

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Message #37 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Woody

SteveH wrote:

Woody wrote:

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

I have enough issues waking up my W2K laptop from sleeping. There's no way I'm going to risk hibernation.

Sleep I have had trouble with. Hibernation has been pretty problem free.

Woody

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Message #38 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Jaimie Vandenbergh

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:13:59 +0100, Woody wrote:

Bonge Boo wrote:

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

This year's Dell unhibernates pretty reliably, once I'd got rid of the Dell power-saving control panel. XP.

The tiny Fujitsu that I have here (1999) unhibernates very well under Win2000, but not XP. Except if you want to use a network after waking up, in which case you're SOL. Works better under Win98, but kept trashing its C: drive.

The four Thinkpads I've had over the last few years have slept+woken okay (except one of them), but none have unhibernated with better than 25% reliability. 2000 and XP.

Powerbook: It Just Works, even the unofficial hibernate. It _really_ helps when the OS and all hardware is designed+implemented by one vendor.

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Message #39 - Posted 2006/08/31 - Tim Auton

Woody wrote:

SteveH wrote:

Woody wrote:

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

I have enough issues waking up my W2K laptop from sleeping. There's no way I'm going to risk hibernation.

Sleep I have had trouble with. Hibernation has been pretty problem free.

Same here. I think sleep (standby) relies on hardware support while hibernate doesn't, which may be something to do with it. Other than changing hardware while it's in hibernation I can't think of a time Windows Hibernate hasn't worked for me.

Tim

Message #40 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Rexx Magnus

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:13:59 GMT, Woody scrawled:

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

The only time it's screwed up for me was if I've removed a piece of hardware, though my uncle's laptop won't sleep very well - but that could be another issue.

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Message #41 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Bonge Boo

Jon B wrote:

Bonge Boo wrote:

use sleep, unless Apple have got a working version. I recall they pulled hibernation from 10.4 as it didn't work...

Wasn't that as far back as 10.3??

Quite possibly.

Message #42 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Bonge Boo

Woody wrote:

Bonge Boo wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote:

Previously, Bonge Boo wrote:

I like Sleep. It just works.

Until the battery runs out. And it forgets what time it is (that doesn't happen on PCs).

Only time the batteries ran out on me was when it went away for such a long time it should have been shutdown anyway. My TiBook comfortably sleeps for over a week.

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

I've never had one Windows computer (4 Compaqs, all stock, no weird PCI cards) that could recover from Hibernation reliably. They would all freeze when trying to load the hibernation file, then you'd have to do a "last known good" or "Safe boot" to get them running. And loose the hibernation data. Also seen the same thing on numerous other PCs.

Sleep however, works perfectly. I've left my PC sleeping for days at a time, wakes within a few secs, just works.

Message #43 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Woody

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:58:41 +0100, Bonge Boo wrote:

Woody wrote:

Bonge Boo wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote:

Previously, Bonge Boo wrote:

I like Sleep. It just works.

Until the battery runs out. And it forgets what time it is (that doesn't happen on PCs).

Only time the batteries ran out on me was when it went away for such a long time it should have been shutdown anyway. My TiBook comfortably sleeps for over a week.

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

I've never had one Windows computer (4 Compaqs, all stock, no weird PCI cards) that could recover from Hibernation reliably. They would all freeze when trying to load the hibernation file, then you'd have to do a "last known good" or "Safe boot" to get them running. And loose the hibernation data. Also seen the same thing on numerous other PCs.

Sleep however, works perfectly. I've left my PC sleeping for days at a time, wakes within a few secs, just works.

It is amazing how mileage varies for these things. I have never had one computer (including compaqs, dells, HPs and all maner of others) that couldn't wake from hibernation properly.
However sleep is a hit and miss thing, and i have never had a pc that woke from sleep in a few seconds, it has always been 10s of seconds.

Actually I think the mesh here on my left will wake reasonably quickly (maybe even under 10 seconds). The HP table will if it has recently gone to sleep, but if not you are talking at least 20-30 seconds until you are up and running (in fact hibernate is faster). The dell is pretty slow at sleep too.
The older dell will wake quite quickly but that gets reghosted on a weekly basis.

There is a problem hibernating on machines that have over 2Gb ram though (or is it 1Gb..)

Woody

Message #44 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Peter Hayes

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:13:59 +0100, Woody wrote (in a previous article):

Bonge Boo wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote:

Previously, Bonge Boo wrote:

I like Sleep. It just works.

Until the battery runs out. And it forgets what time it is (that doesn't happen on PCs).

Only time the batteries ran out on me was when it went away for such a long time it should have been shutdown anyway. My TiBook comfortably sleeps for over a week.

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

My homebuilt Shuttle PC sleeps fine but doesn't wake up to key presses. I have to waggle the mouse to waken it, probably because I use a USB keyboard.

Duh!!!

--

Peter

Message #45 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Rexx Magnus

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 11:32:08 GMT, Woody scrawled:

Actually I think the mesh here on my left will wake reasonably quickly (maybe even under 10 seconds). The HP table will if it has recently gone to sleep, but if not you are talking at least 20-30 seconds until you are up and running (in fact hibernate is faster). The dell is pretty slow at sleep too.
The older dell will wake quite quickly but that gets reghosted on a weekly basis.

There is a problem hibernating on machines that have over 2Gb ram though (or is it 1Gb..)

It used to be slow on most of my windows pc's - until I realised that the swapfile has to be bigger than the installed ram. If it isn't, it'll write the memory to disk and take much longer to sleep than usual (usually about 2 minutes in most cases).

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Message #46 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Ian Robinson

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:29:01 +0100, Jon B wrote (in a previous article):

[1] And I'm glad to say today the keyboard worked on being woke up so yesterdays 'glitch' hopefully was a one off.

It looks to me that the "use 2 fingers for right click" setting on my MBP is being screwed up by hibernation. I'll have to do more testing, but I need to toggle it in the System Prefs to get it back.

Anyone else getting this after removing a battery in hibernation mode?

Ian

Ian Robinson, Belfast, UK
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Message #47 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Ian McCall

It looks to me that the "use 2 fingers for right click" setting on my MBP is being screwed up by hibernation. I'll have to do more testing, but I need to toggle it in the System Prefs to get it back.

I -think- I saw that on my MacBook Pro once. Certainly remember switching on two finger-clicking after being confused it wasn't one, and thinking I'd done it before. Can't be -absolutely- sure though.

Anyone else getting this after removing a battery in hibernation mode?

Not sure what triggered it, but I doubt it was this (in my case at least). The only time I've removed the battery was to swap it for the new one Apple sent in the recent recall, and the two finger-click problem occurred before that.

Cheers,
Ian

Message #48 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Rexx Magnus

On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:07:53 GMT, Ian Robinson scrawled:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:29:01 +0100, Jon B wrote (in a previous article):

[1] And I'm glad to say today the keyboard worked on being woke up so yesterdays 'glitch' hopefully was a one off.

It looks to me that the "use 2 fingers for right click" setting on my MBP is being screwed up by hibernation. I'll have to do more testing, but I need to toggle it in the System Prefs to get it back.

Anyone else getting this after removing a battery in hibernation mode?

Ian

Yes, I found it happened when I tested it with my MBP at lunchtime - I wondered why the heck it had screwed up.

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Message #49 - Posted 2006/09/01 - Ian Robinson

On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 15:38:36 +0100, Rexx Magnus wrote (in a previous article):

Yes, I found it happened when I tested it with my MBP at lunchtime - I wondered why the heck it had screwed up.

Bug report time.

Ian

Ian Robinson, Belfast, UK
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Message #50 - Posted 2006/09/05 - Roger Merriman

Tim Auton wrote:

Woody wrote:

SteveH wrote:

Woody wrote:

Contrast that to the complete inability of any Windows computer to recover from hibernation with any degree of reliability....

Umm.. do what? It is a rare thing that a windows machine fails to recover from hibernation in my experience.
I would classify it as completely reliable.

I have enough issues waking up my W2K laptop from sleeping. There's no way I'm going to risk hibernation.

Sleep I have had trouble with. Hibernation has been pretty problem free.

Same here. I think sleep (standby) relies on hardware support while hibernate doesn't, which may be something to do with it. Other than changing hardware while it's in hibernation I can't think of a time Windows Hibernate hasn't worked for me.

Tim

indeed nasty pc hibinates fine, it sleeps mostly okay as well gets it knickers in a twist over the wireless network but well it's windows....

roger

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