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PB Li-ion battery shelf life?

Message #1 - Posted 2003/11/02 - Marc Heusser

As I have to replace my Pismo because its batteries are dead (and the high price of Li-ion replacement batteries), I wonder whether I should order one or two additional Li-ion batteries now.
What is the shelf life? ie can I keep them unused (or just occasionally charged) for eg 2 years and start using them then?
Or is it better to pay a higher price for a fresh battery in two years time?

Just asking because the Pismo battery price went through the roof after the series was discontinued. I'd like that not happening to me again.

I need to order today to get the special price from our university.

TIA

Marc

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Message #2 - Posted 2003/11/02 - Mike

On 2/11/03 6:28 pm, in article marc.heusser-A36B4C.19281902112003@news.bluewin.ch, Marc Heusser wrote:

As I have to replace my Pismo because its batteries are dead (and the high price of Li-ion replacement batteries), I wonder whether I should order one or two additional Li-ion batteries now.
What is the shelf life? ie can I keep them unused (or just occasionally charged) for eg 2 years and start using them then?
Or is it better to pay a higher price for a fresh battery in two years time?

Just asking because the Pismo battery price went through the roof after the series was discontinued. I'd like that not happening to me again.

I need to order today to get the special price from our university.

TIA

Marc

Afraid they start deteriorating from the day they are manufactured, basic rule is always check the manufacture date when buying, when using avoid deep discharges, if leaving on the shelf leave with 50% charge.

Message #3 - Posted 2003/11/02 - John Johnson

Previously, Mike wrote:

On 2/11/03 6:28 pm, in article marc.heusser-A36B4C.19281902112003@news.bluewin.ch, Marc Heusser wrote:

As I have to replace my Pismo because its batteries are dead (and the high price of Li-ion replacement batteries), I wonder whether I should order one or two additional Li-ion batteries now.
What is the shelf life? ie can I keep them unused (or just occasionally charged) for eg 2 years and start using them then?
Or is it better to pay a higher price for a fresh battery in two years time?

Just asking because the Pismo battery price went through the roof after the series was discontinued. I'd like that not happening to me again.

I need to order today to get the special price from our university.

TIA

Marc

Afraid they start deteriorating from the day they are manufactured, basic rule is always check the manufacture date when buying, when using avoid deep discharges, if leaving on the shelf leave with 50% charge.

IIRC, the stated storage life of the Pismo Li-ion battery is approx. 2 years. It is not clear to me whether the operational life of this battery could be longer than this (e.g. if you bought 2 batteries, and stored each one for alternate months, would you get more than 2 years out of them? I don't know).

I mostly figure that a battery every 2 or 3 years isn't that big of a deal, considering the worries that I incur if I attempt to pre-purchase and correctly store a battery. I'll let someone else worry about storage and pay the "premium."

Message #4 - Posted 2003/11/07 - Ben Gurion

John Johnson wrote:

IIRC, the stated storage life of the Pismo Li-ion battery is approx. 2 years.

This should be about the lifspan when using it normally without any life saving precautions..

It is not clear to me whether the operational life of this battery could be longer than this

Mine is now almost 3 years old.. but i carefully chose to only put it in when really needed, so no permanent trickle charging and thus little cycles.. according to Xbattery it now has a capacity of 3293Ah.

(e.g. if you bought 2 batteries, and
stored each one for alternate months, would you get more than 2 years out of them? I don't know).

As mentioned above, mine is now almost 3 years (from the day of purchase, real age will be eventually numerous month more) with cautious use. however there's little sense in storing a Li battery, as they loose capacity (in the range of 10% per year afaik), even when not used at all.

I'll let someone else worry about storage and pay the "premium."

As storage makes no sense with Lis, just buy a new one when needed. Alas one should try to buy from a manufacturer, that can provide a date of production, otherwise one can't know, if the battery hasn't been sitting in some shelf for ages, and thus beeing far from new.

hth,
ben

Message #5 - Posted 2003/11/20 - Duncan James Murray

Li-ion degrades from the day they are made, so any attempts to prolong the life of them is just a matter of slowing the decay.

15 degrees C (i.e. in your fridge) and at 40% charge are the optimum conditions. Worst storage condition is at 100% charge and high temp (as in when it's in your laptop - will lose 10% each year).

Duncan.

"Ben Gurion" <invalides.spam.grab@gmx.net> wrote in message news:1g41ukz.9hx3sh1654mx6N%invalides.spam.grab@gmx.net...

John Johnson wrote:

IIRC, the stated storage life of the Pismo Li-ion battery is approx. 2 years.

This should be about the lifspan when using it normally without any life saving precautions..

It is not clear to me whether the operational life of this battery could be longer than this

Mine is now almost 3 years old.. but i carefully chose to only put it in when really needed, so no permanent trickle charging and thus little cycles.. according to Xbattery it now has a capacity of 3293Ah.

(e.g. if you bought 2 batteries, and
stored each one for alternate months, would you get more than 2 years out of them? I don't know).

As mentioned above, mine is now almost 3 years (from the day of purchase, real age will be eventually numerous month more) with cautious use. however there's little sense in storing a Li battery, as they loose capacity (in the range of 10% per year afaik), even when not used at all.

I'll let someone else worry about storage and pay the "premium."

As storage makes no sense with Lis, just buy a new one when needed. Alas one should try to buy from a manufacturer, that can provide a date of production, otherwise one can't know, if the battery hasn't been sitting in some shelf for ages, and thus beeing far from new.

hth,
ben

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