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Undesired Wake from Sleep.. Al Powerbook with case closed

Message #1 - Posted 2004/06/21 - Sally Shears

I have a new problem with my Aluminum Powerbook 1.25 running 10.3.4 with recent updates.

1. When sleeping in it's briefcase (closed, of course), I think the machine wakes, runs the battery down to minimum and then sleeps again. What I find is a quite hot powerbook with the battery drained. This is happening frequently, most times I put it in the briefcase and tote it around.

2. (May be related) If I close the lid, the machine 3 out of 4 times does NOT go to sleep.

Both behaviors are new. Nothing connected to the machine... just a typical "close it and put it in the briefcase."

To protect things, I changed the Energy Saver settings to sleep after 3 minutes... Same problem, hot Powerbook in the briefcase with the battery run down! Arrgh!

Machine was recently to Apple repair to replace the screen for the "white blotches" problem. I suspect it's a problem introduced during the Apple repair, but I'm asking here just to make sure.

Anyone else seen this sort of thing?

-- Sally

Sally Shears (a.k.a. "Molly")
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Message #2 - Posted 2004/06/21 - DrewM

Sally Shears wrote:

I have a new problem with my Aluminum Powerbook 1.25 running 10.3.4 with recent updates.

I have a 15" 1.25 Alboko - probably the same as yours.

1. When sleeping in it's briefcase (closed, of course), I think the machine wakes, runs the battery down to minimum and then sleeps again. What I find is a quite hot powerbook with the battery drained. This is happening frequently, most times I put it in the briefcase and tote it around.

I don't think I've seen quite this behavior, but I typically only sleep mine for 45mins at a time. I *do* notice it being awake sometimes when I open the lid, but I'm not convinced that this isn't just speedy startup. I have to admit that the thought has crossed my mind.

2. (May be related) If I close the lid, the machine 3 out of 4 times does NOT go to sleep.

My machine doesn't sleep maybe one time out of fifty. I think this is due to it not being in a 'settled' state before closing the lid, though.

drew.

Message #3 - Posted 2004/06/22 - Sally Shears

Previously, DrewM wrote:

Sally Shears wrote:

1. When sleeping in it's briefcase (closed, of course), I think the machine wakes, runs the battery down to minimum and then sleeps again. What I find is a quite hot powerbook with the battery drained. This is happening frequently, most times I put it in the briefcase and tote it around.

I don't think I've seen quite this behavior, but I typically only sleep mine for 45mins at a time. I *do* notice it being awake sometimes when I open the lid, but I'm not convinced that this isn't just speedy startup. I have to admit that the thought has crossed my mind.

When you open the lid, the backlight comes on very quickly. From your description, I do not think you are experiencing my problem.

The signs of trouble (showing that the computer is not sleeping, even though closed)...
- The heartbeat light (pulses slowly when asleep) is dark, - the machine is hot,
- the battery is down.

-- Sally

Sally Shears (a.k.a. "Molly")
sshears@theWorld.com -or- Sally@Shears.org
http://theWorld.com/~sshears

Message #4 - Posted 2004/06/22 - matt neuburg

Sally Shears wrote:

I have a new problem with my Aluminum Powerbook 1.25 running 10.3.4 with recent updates.

1. When sleeping in it's briefcase (closed, of course), I think the machine wakes, runs the battery down to minimum and then sleeps again. What I find is a quite hot powerbook with the battery drained.

Yes, I often see something similar. I assume that what's happening is that the machine falls open, thus waking it up. In other words, I'm assuming there's a defect in the latching mechanism. My solution is simple: Don't Do That. Instead, I shut down before transporting the machine. m.

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Message #5 - Posted 2004/06/22 - Neill Massello

Sally Shears wrote:

I have a new problem with my Aluminum Powerbook 1.25 running 10.3.4 with recent updates.

1. When sleeping in it's briefcase (closed, of course), I think the machine wakes, runs the battery down to minimum and then sleeps again. What I find is a quite hot powerbook with the battery drained. This is happening frequently, most times I put it in the briefcase and tote it around.

2. (May be related) If I close the lid, the machine 3 out of 4 times does NOT go to sleep.

My guess is that the lid switch is defective. Until you get it fixed, you should be able to disable the waking by launching Terminal and typing:

sudo pmset -b lidwake 0

Message #6 - Posted 2004/06/22 - Sally Shears

Previously, Neill Massello wrote:

Sally Shears wrote:

I have a new problem with my Aluminum Powerbook 1.25 running 10.3.4 with recent updates.

1. When sleeping in it's briefcase (closed, of course), I think the machine wakes, runs the battery down to minimum and then sleeps again. What I find is a quite hot powerbook with the battery drained. ...snip...

My guess is that the lid switch is defective. Until you get it fixed, you should be able to disable the waking by launching Terminal and typing:

sudo pmset -b lidwake 0

Wow! Now THAT is very helpful information! Thank you, Neill !

-- Sally

Sally Shears (a.k.a. "Molly")
sshears@theWorld.com -or- Sally@Shears.org
http://theWorld.com/~sshears

Message #7 - Posted 2004/06/22 - Sally Shears

Previously, matt neuburg wrote:

Sally Shears wrote:

I have a new problem with my Aluminum Powerbook 1.25 running 10.3.4 with recent updates.

1. When sleeping in it's briefcase (closed, of course), I think the machine wakes, runs the battery down to minimum and then sleeps again. What I find is a quite hot powerbook with the battery drained.

Yes, I often see something similar. I assume that what's happening is that the machine falls open, thus waking it up. In other words, I'm assuming there's a defect in the latching mechanism. My solution is simple: Don't Do That. Instead, I shut down before transporting the machine. m.

Thanks for the response, Matt.

Two things:

1. I've heard for years a controversy about whether it's OK to carry the Powerbook around while it's sleeping. Years ago, I was told the official Apple recommendation was "not to" because it would be trouble if the computer woke up. Anyone know if carrying around a sleeping powerbook is "recommended"?

2. FWIW, the fault appears to be the switch and not the physical latch. I have found the powerbook on, or hot with a drained battery. I've never found the Powerbook with the latch actually open.

I'll get the switch fixed, but I think I'll use Neill's suggestion all the time for insurance:

sudo pmset -b lidwake 0

-- Sally

Sally Shears (a.k.a. "Molly")
sshears@theWorld.com -or- Sally@Shears.org
http://theWorld.com/~sshears

Message #8 - Posted 2004/06/23 - Fred Lotte

sudo pmset -b lidwake 0

Is there some place on the web that has more info on little gems like this?

A check of man pmset -g shows that lidwake is not available in OSX.2.6 at least it's not listed in the arguments list or in the list currently in use.

About a quarter century ago, I would have made a change like this (behavior of the hardware) on my old Altair 8800 by moving a wire ;-)

Fred Lotte
flotte@nospam.stratos.net

Message #9 - Posted 2004/06/24 - Peter Verdon

Sally Shears wrote:

1. I've heard for years a controversy about whether it's OK to carry the Powerbook around while it's sleeping. Years ago, I was told the official Apple recommendation was "not to" because it would be trouble if the computer woke up. Anyone know if carrying around a sleeping powerbook is "recommended"?

The manual for my 15" AlBook implies that it's fine. The only restriction is that you should wait for the "breathing" light to come on before moving it vigorously - by that time the hard drive should have spun down.

Pete

Message #10 - Posted 2004/06/25 - Roger

My iBook won't sleep if there's a usb mouse connected.

Rog

Message #11 - Posted 2004/06/25 - Mike Hall

Roger wrote:

My iBook won't sleep if there's a usb mouse connected.

Do you have the mouse's latest drivers?

My iBook falls peacefully asleep with a USB mouse.
(snow iBook 800MHz, Dec. 2002, Kensington Iridio optical wheel mouse)

Message #12 - Posted 2004/06/25 - Peter Verdon

Mike Hall wrote:

Roger wrote:

My iBook won't sleep if there's a usb mouse connected.

My iBook falls peacefully asleep with a USB mouse.

My Powerbook goes to sleep fine with or without USB items, but annoyingly it wakes up if you unplug them while asleep. I suppose it's necessary - it needs to be awake to do USB-removal housekeeping tasks - but it's a pain when I want to put it in my bag and it wakes up as I unplug the single connector that goes to the keyboard (and the mouse, and the scanner, and the printer, and the disk drives, and the iMic, and the card reader. Ain't USB great?)

Pete

Message #13 - Posted 2004/06/28 - Sally Shears

Previously, Peter Verdon wrote:

Sally Shears wrote:

1. I've heard for years a controversy about whether it's OK to carry the Powerbook around while it's sleeping. Years ago, I was told the official Apple recommendation was "not to" because it would be trouble if the computer woke up. Anyone know if carrying around a sleeping powerbook is "recommended"?

The manual for my 15" AlBook implies that it's fine. The only restriction is that you should wait for the "breathing" light to come on before moving it vigorously - by that time the hard drive should have spun down.

Thanks, Peter, for the Manual reference.

I've always assumed this in using my powerbooks.

-- Sally

Sally Shears (a.k.a. "Molly")
sshears@theWorld.com -or- Sally@Shears.org
http://theWorld.com/~sshears

Message #14 - Posted 2004/07/01 - Joel Farris

Peter Verdon wrote:

My Powerbook goes to sleep fine with or without USB items, but annoyingly it wakes up if you unplug them while asleep. I suppose it's necessary - it needs to be awake to do USB-removal housekeeping tasks - but it's a pain when I want to put it in my bag and it wakes up as I unplug the single connector that goes to the keyboard (and the mouse, and the scanner, and the printer, and the disk drives, and the iMic, and the card reader. Ain't USB great?)

Sure, it wakes up when the lid is closed and you unplug a mouse, but if you leave the lid closed and just stick it in your bag anyway, you will find that it has fallen asleep again 15 seconds later.

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Message #15 - Posted 2004/07/01 - Peter Verdon

Joel Farris wrote:

Peter Verdon wrote:

My Powerbook goes to sleep fine with or without USB items, but annoyingly it wakes up if you unplug them while asleep.

Sure, it wakes up when the lid is closed and you unplug a mouse, but if you leave the lid closed and just stick it in your bag anyway, you will find that it has fallen asleep again 15 seconds later.

Oh? I shall have to try that. Usually I just press alt-pretzel-eject to make it sleep and then close the lid. (I unplug USB before closing it.)

Pete

Message #16 - Posted 2004/07/03 - Joel Farris

Peter Verdon wrote:

Usually I just press alt-pretzel-eject to make it sleep and then close the lid.

Pretzel?

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Message #17 - Posted 2004/07/04 - Peter Verdon

Joel Farris wrote:

Peter Verdon wrote:

Usually I just press alt-pretzel-eject to make it sleep

Pretzel?

I believe the pedants would insist on "Command", but pretzel seems more descriptive to me. Unless your keyboard has different markings to mine, of course.

Pete

Message #18 - Posted 2004/07/15 - Joel Farris

Peter Verdon wrote:

Peter Verdon wrote:
Usually I just press alt-pretzel-eject to make it sleep

Joel Farris wrote:
Pretzel?

I believe the pedants would insist on "Command", but pretzel seems more descriptive to me. Unless your keyboard has different markings to mine, of course.

Pete

Pete, you owe me a new monitor. There's coffee all over mine.

I was trying to figure out which key combination would make a lappy go to sleep, and I'm thinking that you may have had some other language keyboard, so naturally I wanted to know how to perform this trick.

Now that you mention it, that Command symbol DOES look a bit like the pretzel they hand you off the cart of a New York street vendor. Too funny! --
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